Lift and shift or transformation: know which project you are running
Podcast · February 2023 · 35 min
Wim Kerkhoff hosts James Davis from Pax8 in Australia for episode 16 of the TopLeft podcast. They talk about why MSPs run lift and shift projects and transformation projects the same way, and what goes wrong when they do. The last part covers who to hire first for transformation work and when to partner with a systems integrator.
Chapters
- 0:00Cold open on ideal hire
- 1:02Intro and why this topic
- 2:03Defining lift and shift
- 3:34SharePoint and client ownership
- 5:05MSP mindset and skill gaps
- 7:06Selling to the top of the business
- 9:09Host's failed file server migration
- 11:41Owner mindset and partnering with SIs
- 14:13Charge for discovery
- 17:45Why owners are slow to move
- 20:19Security focus and two client phases
- 21:51Commodity risk and Canada's CDAP funding
- 23:55Know your clients' life cycle
- 26:26First hire for a transformation team
- 31:34SI partnerships and ERP parallels
- 33:06Older MSP owners as talent

